Williams or Ruth?
Ok, on a message board I check frequently there has been a debate going on recently about who was the greatest hitter of all-time in Major League baseball: Ted Williams or Babe Ruth?
I think it's Babe Ruth. As an accomplished bullshit artist, here's my attempt to make the numbers prove what I believe. If you don't like baseball, stop reading now, because you're about to get bored.
A quick comparison of their career numbers:
Babe Ruth played 2503 games as a hitter. His career average was .342. He hit 714 HRs, scored 2174 runs, batted in 2213 runs, and stole 123 bases.
Ted Williams played 2292 games as a hitter. His career average was .344. He hit 521 HRs, scored 1798 runs, batted in 1839 runs, and stole 14 bases.
The seasons when these guys played were 154 games long. What follows is a comparison of their 154-game averages.
Babe Ruth: .342, 134 runs, 44 HRs, 136 RBI, 8 SBs
Ted Williams: .344, 121 runs, 35 HRs, 124 RBI, 1 SB
Clearly, it appears that Ruth was a better hitter. Although Williams has a career batting average with a negligible 2-point advantage, Ruth far and away exceeds Williams in all other hitting categories.
HOWEVER...you knew there would be a "however," right? It should be noted that Williams lost most of five seasons due to his service in World War II and Korea. (As a matter of fact, he lost three full seasons from 43-45, almost all of 52, and about 3/4 of 53.)
Well, Ruth lost a lot of time as a hitter as well. From 1915 to 1919, he was a full-time pitcher for the Boston Red Sox. It wasn't until 1920, when he was sold to the New York Yankees, that he became a full-time hitter(His rookie season, 1914, doesn't really count because he barely played that season.) Now to be fair, he DID play a lot as a hitter in his last season with the Red Sox.
Here's what I'm using as a comparison: EACH of these guys, in seasons they were considered full-time hitters, averaged 132 games played. What follows is each player's average stats per 132 games played as a hitter.
Babe Ruth: .342, 115 runs, 38 HRs, 117 RBI, 6.5 SBs
Ted Williams: .344, 104 runs, 30 HRs, 106 RBI, 0.8 SBs
So here's what I'm proposing: To settle the debate of "the greatest hitter of all time," I'm going to give each guy his lost time back.
I'm going to give Williams back 132 games per season for 4.75 seasons, or 627 games.
To figure out how much time Ruth lost as a hitter, I looked at how many games Ruth played as a hitter during his pitching seasons of 1915-1919. Subtracting the number of games he played as a hitter during each of those seasons from the 132 games he averaged during each of his seasons as a full-time hitter gives us 274 potential games Ruth missed as a hitter. So, Ruth gets his 274 games back.
THE MISSING LINKS:
Williams, in 627 games: .344, 494 runs, 143 HRs, 504 RBI, 4 SBs
Ruth, in 274 games: .342, 239 runs, 79 HRs, 243 RBI, 13 SBs
So, if we add the missing stats to each player's current career numbers:
Ted Williams played 2919 games as a hitter. His career average was .344. He scored 2292 runs, hit 664 HRs, batted in 2343 runs, and stole 20 bases.
Babe Ruth played 2777 games as a hitter. His career average was .342. He scored 2413 runs, hit 793 HRs, batted in 2456 runs, and stole 136 bases.
Now, if you think it's unfair that I only gave Williams 132 games per season back in the prime of his career, remember that I did the same for Ruth.
And if you're going to argue that Williams' lost seasons were during his prime, let's take a quick look at 1920, Ruth's first season as a full-time hitter: .376, 158 runs, 54 HRs, 137 RBI, 14 SBs. I think it's safe to assume that some of Ruth's lost seasons (1915-1919) were also during his prime.
Babe Ruth...the greatest hitter of all time.
Now, what would Willie Mays' career numbers look like if we gave him back his lost seasons of 1952-53?








